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Wednesday 12 August 2020

A-Next Ages: American Dream

 

I thought it might be fun to work out the approximate ages of the various members of the MC2’s Avengers. Keep in mind this isn’t definitive unless it’s spelt out on the page and is merely a rough estimate based on in-universe information or- where necessary- statements from the creative teams involved in the characters creation and development.

 

 

For the fifth entry in this occasional series of A-Next Ages, it’s time to figure out the age of the team’s iconic, patriotic and statuesque blonde heroine: American Dream.

 

Much of the evidence you’ll see in this post was also used when I covered Freebooter’s Age but it’s important to lay out everything to make sense of it. Firstly, let’s take into account Shannon Carter’s height, which is first mentioned in-universe as 6’2” in A-Next #4 and later confirmed in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A to Z Update #1. It’s a safe bet based on this that Shannon is an adult and unlikely to grow any taller.

 

 

Argo the Almighty refers to Thunderstrike, American Dream and Bluestreak as ‘all around my age’ in A-Next #6. It appears Argo himself is a teenager (albeit one of godly stature) which helps give us a ball park figure to determine American Dream’s own age.

 

While it was initially established that Shannon Carter was a Tour Guide at Avengers Compound first seen in A-Next #1 and revealed in A-Next #3-#4, we get plenty more details about her early life in the American Dream mini-series. We know that Shannon was training to become a ‘super-athlete’ like her hero Captain America while still in high school. It was during this period that she first met Clint Barton (formerly Hawkeye) and Brandon Cross (later known as Freebooter) as seen in American Dream #3.

 

 

As mentioned above, Shannon works as a Tour Guide. According to American Dream #1, Shannon used her great Aunt Peggy’s connections to secure the job ‘right out of high school.’ Shannon notes it put her on the front lines and helped pay her expenses. This tells us that Shannon has already graduated high school and also paid for her own living expenses.

 

 

Shannon is seen leaving work and returning to what is presumably her own apartment to meet up with her fellow Dream Team members in (A-Next #3). Later on, in the pages of American Dream #1, Shannon notes that she ‘moved into Avengers Mansion over a year ago.’ This makes it clear that after becoming a member of the Avengers, Shannon must have moved into the team’s headquarters. Additionally, we now know over a year has passed since the events of A-Next #4, making Shannon another year older.

 

 

In Last Hero Standing #2 when, during a visit to their former mentor and teacher Clint Barton, the narration box refers to both American Dream and Freebooter as teenagers. This estimation is reiterated in the follow up mini-series’ Last Planet Standing #1 when Vision describes the current Avengers team as ‘mainly a group of idealistic, enthusiastic and powerful teenagers.’ It should be noted that Shannon was not an active member of the team at this point, however.

 

 

As American Dream, Shannon ran one of Clint’s training exercises known as the Gauntlet. It was at this time that Barton’s fellow students learned of the new Avengers team. Shannon notes when reflecting on this time that she hadn’t thought about the Gauntlet ‘in years’ (American Dream #4)

 

 

As noted in this series’ Freebooter entry, Brandon and Shannon appear to be around the same age. While Brandon has moments of maturity, Shannon is the more mature of the two, as noted by Ron Frenz on Adam Chapman’s podcast Comic Shenanigans Episode 744:

 

I liked the way they interacted, I liked the way Brandon and Blue came across as brother and sister, carping at each other. And Shannon kind of came across as the oldest sister who was constantly going ‘Bluestreak!’ and telling her to mind herself and all that kind of stuff.

 

 

Now let’s look at what we can conclude by putting several smaller points together:

·         Shannon began training under Clint Barton while still in high school

·         Shannon began her tour guide job at the Avengers Compound right after finishing high school, moving into her own apartment

·         While working at Avengers Compound, Shannon witnessed the formation of the new Avengers team in A-Next #1

·         Shannon runs the Gauntlet training exercise and Barton’s other students learn of the new Avengers team

·         American Dream joins the Avengers alongside the rest of the Dream Team and at some point afterwards, Shannon takes up residence at Avengers Compound

·         During the events of Last Hero Standing, Shannon is said to still be a teenager

·         By the time the events of the American Dream mini-series occur, Shannon had resided in Avengers Compound for over a year

 

With all of that out of the way, we have another case of an easy-to-ascertain age within the MC2. Shannon Carter aka American Dream is at least 19 years old, at least up until the events of Last Hero Standing. It’s very likely she’s 20 or even 21 years old by the end of the MC2’s publication history, given we know over a year has passed in-universe. If you have any arguments to the contrary or you feel I’ve missed something, don’t hesitate to let me know!

 

 

 

Until I adorn myself after a super-athlete patriotic war veteran super hero and attempt to honour his legacy, I remain

 

 

 

frogoat

Thursday 23 April 2020

History of the MC2: Zombie Avengers Breakdown

I’m unable to churn out large posts regularly at the moment due to extra work obligations, but I wanted to put out something of substance, something that looks more deeply at what a few pages of not-quite Zombies in the MC2 actually tells us about the original Avengers. I’ve already tackled the History of the MC2 Avengers in the past, so consider this a supplemental piece to that post.



Created by combining magic with stolen blood and tissue samples of various former and present Avengers, the ‘magical clones’ are sent against the current Avengers team as a diversion. There are eighteen ‘zombieAvengers depicted in Avengers Next #1. They are as follows:

 

1.       Falcon

2.       Hulk

3.       Vision

4.       Wonder Man

5.       Quicksilver

6.       Hawkeye

7.       Stinger

8.       Black Widow

9.       Hercules

10.   Luke Cage

11.   J2

12.   Freebooter

13.   Scarlet Witch

14.   Thunderstrike

15.   Black Panther

16.   Bluestreak

17.   American Dream

18.   Yellowjacket *

 

*seen on later page only



 

Let’s group them into smaller groups based on their actual Avenger counterparts. First up, the ‘ZombieA-Next Members:

 

1.       Stinger

2.       J2

3.       Freebooter

4.       Thunderstrike

5.       Bluestreak

6.       American Dream

 

Obviously, these are all the current-generation of Avengers, and it’s evident the six of them donated their blood and tissue samples prior to the events of this story, most likely before Last Planet Standing, as Freebooter and Stinger were stated to be on leave at the start of Avengers Next #1. Notably, Crimson Curse is not seen among the horde of ‘Zombies,’ despite being the only member of the new Avengers to have died. This perhaps indicates that the new Avengers samples were provided after her death in A-Next #11.


Next, lets list all of the ‘ZombieAvengers whose counterparts are known to be still alive/operational:

1.       Hulk

2.       Vision

3.       Hawkeye

4.       Hercules

5.       Luke Cage

6.       Scarlet Witch

7.       Black Panther

 

Bruce Banner is first seen in the MC2 in A-Next #3 where we learn he hasn’t turned into the Hulk in some time and has settled down in the suburbs to raise his son. The Hulk was last seen in Last Hero Standing #5 accompanying Loki to Limbo after being mind-controlled into causing a swathe of destruction through New York. See here for more information.






The synthezoid Vision is first glimpsed in What If #105 on a computer screen, making his first proper MC2 appearance via flashback in A-Next #7 where we learn he was one of the few original Avengers to return from the team’s last mission. We later learn in Last Hero Standing and Last Planet Standing he works as an advisor to the President of the United States. Apparently destroyed in Last Planet Standing #4, Vision is presumably restored by the newly combined being formerly known as the Silver Surfer and Galactus as he returns in Fantastic Five (vol. 2) #5 and is among the reserve Avengers members called upon in American Dream #4.





Hawkeye is first seen in flashbacks in A-Next #7 where we learn he was also among the few original Avengers to return from their final mission. Clint makes his first present-day appearance in A-Next #10 where we learn he was blinded as a result of the mission, but went on to train the members of the Dream Team. Barton would also return to his costumed identity in Last Hero Standing while mind-controlled by Loki and as an Avenger in Spider-Girl #93-#95 with the aid of a device that enables him a form of sight. He is among the assembled heroes attempting to stop Galactus in Last Hero Standing and is one of the many heroes to fall victim of Sylene’s energy duplicate spell in Avengers Next #4.





Hercules first appears in A-Next #6, driven made by his experiences on the original Avengers final mission to an alternate world, he was kept in a secret S.H.I.E.L.D. facility until discovered by the new Avengers. He is currently in the care of his son Argo and only makes another appearance via flashbacks to the original Avengers final mission in A-Next #7.




I’ve placed Luke Cage on this particular listing because, as I’ve noted on a few previous occasions, we know thanks to this ‘magical clone’ or ‘Zombie’ that Cage was formerly a member of the Avengers, though it’s unclear exactly when he joined the team. We also know that Luke is still alive thanks to a comment made by American Dream in this story.


 


The Scarlet Witch is first seen in the MC2 in A-Next #7 in flashback where we learn that upon her return from the original Avengers final mission, she and Iron Man set to work to close the breach between worlds to ensure there would be no incursions from the alternate universe. We also get a hint of Wanda in the same issue with a single panel showing her energy signature. A-Next #8 reveals that in order to seal the gateway between worlds the Scarlet Witch was placed in a coma-like stasis to hold it closed with her powers, protecting herself by generating several physical manifestations of Wonder Man. Wanda remains in this state (as seen A-Next #10) until kidnapped and awakened by Loki’s spell in Last Hero Standing #1-#5 after which she briefly returns to active duty as an Avenger in Spider-Girl #93-#95. She remains with the team during Last Planet Standing and is seen as an energy duplicate of Sylene in Avengers Next #4.


 






The Black Panther, much like Luke Cage, isn’t actually seen on-panel in the MC2. Apart from his ‘Zombie’ counterpart seen here in Avengers Next #1, the only mentions of T’Challa are in A-Next #4 where his son T’Chaka aka Coal Tiger mentions the Ruler of Wakanda in the present tense. See here for the Wakandan Royal Family.

 





List of ‘ZombieAvengers whose counterpart’s status is unknown in the present day MC2:

 

1.       Wonder Man *

2.       Quicksilver

3.       Black Widow

 

Wonder Man is a point of contention within the MC2. In the Main Marvel Universe, Simon Williams died in Force Works #1, an event that greatly affected Force Works team mate, fellow Avenger and lover the Scarlet Witch. However, Wonder Man was revealed to remain lingering in some form in Avengers (vol. 3) #2 and was eventually restored by Wanda’s powers in Avengers (vol. 3) #11. As the History of the MC2’s Avengers mostly diverges prior to this point, Wonder Man may have simply remained deceased. Either he was already dead long ago, thanks to the shared history of the MC2 and the Main Marvel Universe diverging, or he was restored under similar circumstances. To further confuse the matter, when I asked A-Next co-creator and artist Ron Frenz about Wonder Man’s status in relation to his resurrection in Avengers (vol. 3) he had this to say:

As we’ve discussed, anything we could use, we’d use. Anything else we’d ignore. We wanted to acknowledge current continuity but, as you remember, Jarvis says everyone who was EVER an Avenger was gathered for that meeting and assault so we didn’t really feel we were committing to any single moment in specific continuity.

Then, when asked if Wonder Man was still dead:

Dead or “Missing in Action,” I guess

 I will one day have to dedicate an entire post to Wonder Man, so keep an eye out!

 

The ‘Zombie’ counterpart of Quicksilver is the only acknowledgment of Pietro Maximoff’s existence within the MC2 and as such, his status remains unknown. The blood and tissue sample later stolen and used to create this double could have been obtained at any point.

 

The Black Widow doesn’t make a physical appearance in the MC2 outside her ‘Zombie’ counterpart’s decaying visage in Avengers Next #1. However, Natasha Romanoff is seen in Spider-Girl #60 on both the cover and within the thoughts of May ‘Mayday’ Parker as she reflects on her place amongst the other superheroines who came before her. No specifics are given, and as such her status remains unknown. Expect a dedicated post on the Black Widow at some point.


 


And finally, a list of Avengers who are confirmed as deceased in the MC2 among those represented by their counterparts in the zombie horde:

 

1.       Falcon

2.       Yellowjacket

 

The Falcon aka Sam Wilson is one of the few confirmed cases of a deceased Avenger who didn’t die on the original team’s final mission. We learn in Spider-Girl #60 that the Ladyhawks’ father ‘Boss’ Morgan was revealed to be responsible for the Falcon’s murder. This information is only brought to light during a police investigation after Morgan’s supposed death, which occurred while both Ladyhawks’ were still in high school. There are no specifics given for when Sam Wilson’s death occurred, though when Morgan is revealed to be still alive, he remarks that the Falcondied quite some time ago’ (Amazing Spider-Girl #7).

 




I nearly neglected to include this one on the list, but upon a quick re-read of Avengers Next #1, I realized Yellowjacket is also among the shambling ‘zombieAvengers; though not seen in the splash page he appears in a single panel later. Of course, Hank Pym as Giant-Man is seen in the flashbacks within A-Next #7 when the original Avengers agree to travel to the alternate universe to confront the threat to the multiverse. Later in the same flashback sequence, we see the few returning Avengers including a heartbroken Janet Pym aka Wasp make it back to their world. When Jarvis asks Iron Man where the others are, Stark states ‘There are no others.’ Shocked, Jarvis continues ‘Y-you mean Captain AmericaGiant-Man…. Justice…’ to which Iron Man confirms ‘And all the rest!’


 


As I noted above, obviously not all of the Avengers are represented by a doppleganger. It’s rather interesting to note which characters aren’t seen amongst Sylene’s army of horrors: the aforementioned Crimson Curse or the recently deceased Captain America, along with many of those who died on the final mission and other members of both the ‘interim’ Avengers era and the A-Next era of the team. It’s more than likely that when swiping these samples for Sylene, Warp didn’t grab them all. It’s also possible some members didn’t give permission for samples of their blood and tissue to be collected.

When I started working on this it was only intended to be a brief look at where the various Avengers represented by these replicated off-brand ‘magical clone Zombies are now in the MC2. I think I may have gone a little beyond that, but hopefully the post is informative and clarifies some things for readers.

 

Until I stop wondering how they obtained a sample from the super thick-skinned Luke Cage, I remain

 

frogoat