Showing posts with label continuity. Show all posts
Showing posts with label continuity. Show all posts

Thursday, 10 July 2014

The Missing Untold Tale of Spider-Man aka Spider-Girl Meets Spider-Man

Or 'Untold Tales of Spider-Man #26'

Someday the truth about Untold Tales of Spider-Man will be known to all. For you see, it didn't really end with issue 25. No, you see, the clever artist and the crafty writer Pat Olliffe and Tom Defalco carried on the Untold Tales tradition with Spider-Girl #10-11. Dig this, friends: Untold Tales of Spider-Man covers previously unseen adventures of Spider-Man during his early career, specifically placed between Amazing Spider-Man #6 and Amazing Spider-Man #24. It was primarily scripted, plotted and pencilled by Kurt Busiek and Pat Olliffe, with help from Roger Stern, Tom Defalco and Ron Frenz.Here's where it get's interesting. Spider-Girl #10 and #11 chronicle our gal Mayday being sent to the past, during (and just prior to) the events of Amazing Spider-Man #25. In the tradition of Untold Tales, I'm going to explain how these two tales fit together.





Spidey grabs his Spider-Signal
Peter agrees to help Liz study

Flash threatens Pete, May meets Peter



 Now, if you've read Amazing Spider-Man #24, you'll know that Spidey uses his Spider-Signal beam to distract Flash Thompson and in dialog clearly states he collected it. Remember that bit, readers. When Spider-Girl arrives in the past (thanks to time-traveling villain Spyral) she meets her dear ol' dad as a teen at Midtown High in a scene which seems to be lifted from Amazing Spider-Man #25, with Flash threatening Pete after hearing he's been seen with Liz Allan. It even features similar dialog from the original story! True enough, Peter had been asked to  Liz's house to help with studying in ASM #24, and he's shown leaving Liz's house at the very beginning of ASM #25.However Spider-Girl #10 is set a day before the events involving Jonah's Robot depicted in ASM #25, as Mayday clearly spends the night at Midtown High after encounter her father as both Peter and Spidey.  Hang on, where does Spider-Girl #10 fit into this mess then, smarty pants? 

Hold up, didn't you already pick that up? WHAA!?!
Liz asks Peter to help her study again.
















 Here's what I propose: Peter has been helping Liz study for the past couple of weeks following the events of ASM #24, meaning the scene on page one of ASM #25 is a different study night. This helps with explaining where May's arrival fits into the sequence of events, but doesn't help with explaining that pesky Spider-Signal retrieval scene right after it. Or does it? Flash refers to the events of ASM #24 as taking place 'a few weeks ago.' It's odd for the Spider-Signal  to have been left on the roof 'yesterday' as Peter already collected it. So clearly Peter left his Spider-Signal on a rooftop at some  point after ASM #24. That fits nicely, don't you think?

...And Spider-Girl #10

Just for comparison, here's ASM #25...





















In Spider-Girl #10 we see the events of Amazing Spider-Man #25 unfolding from both Peter's and Mayday's perspective, including a fun scene with Mayday meeting her namesake, Aunt May. While this is taking place, Peter is at the Bugle seeing a man named Smythe's 'Spider-Slayer' robot for the first time. Again, the dialog is almost directly lifted from the original, as are many of the panels. Mayday decides to head out as Spider-Girl only to be spotted by Smythe's Robot, leading to a brief clash in Spider-Girl #11. I imagine this scene takes place between the panels in ASM #25. We don't see the 'Spider-Slayer' Robot's entire journey to Midtown High, so the encounter with Spider-Girl at the end of SG #10 and the beginning of SG #11 fits nicely before the Robot locks onto Peter's trail.






While Spider-Man is taking on the 'Spider-Slayer' Robot, May finds herself in combat with the Human Torch and is forced to flee, before heading back to Aunt May's house. Of Course, at this very moment Liz Allan and Betty Brant have arrived seeking Peter, only to encounter Mary Jane. Yet again this encounter from Spider-Girl #11 can fit nicely between the panels of Amazing Spider-Man #25. My only comment about this scene would be that now that Mayday has arrived, Mary Jane Watson perhaps stays longer talking to Aunt May. I bring this suggestion up as Peter has on his costume later in SG #11.



Between panels 3 and 5 here SG v Robot

...before it heads to Midtown.
Betty and Liz meet Mary Jane...
...and then Mayday arrives. Oh my!





Having sacrificed his costume to fool Jonah, Peter luckily has an extra one back home. Unluckily for him, Aunt May finds the spare costume at the end of the issue, stating she was tidying Peter's room after Mary Jane had left. Let's try to work this one out, shall we? Peter could- in theory -have ducked home to grab his spare costume before encountering Spider-Girl again, then stowing it hastily behind the bookcase where Aunt May would very soon later discover it before 'officially' returning home as Peter. It's the best workaround I can see, anyway.


While Pete fools JJJ, MJ leaves...
...with Mayday...

...who spends 20 mins looking for her dad...

...Pete grabs his spare suit, sends May home...
...hides his suit then returns home as Peter.

As I mentioned, Spidey encounters Spider-Girl and the two do battle. Soon they are joined by the Human Torch and the fight continues until May finally tracks down the villainous Spyral. Spidey interrupts the Human Torch so that Spider-Girl can return home and is left confused by being called 'Dad.' Presumably Peter heads home after this, just as he does in Amazing Spider-Man #25. There you have it, the secret but not-official Untold Tales of Spider-Man #26. What do you think?

Until they reprint the Untold Tales of Spider-Man Omnibus with this missing gem, I remain

frogoat

Tuesday, 13 August 2013

Baby May and Continuity Fun


 The exact point where the MC2 Universe (also called 982) branches off from the mainstream Marvel Universe (also referred to as 616 in the handbooks) is not entirely clear, though obviously the two worlds share a history up to at least '97 real-world time, apart from small details, such as later retcons. For example, Peter's Aunt May real does pass away as depicted in Amazing Spider-Man #400 (a classic), whereas in the 616 this is later retconned (badly, I might add) as being a genetically modified actress hired by Norman Osborn.




In fact, let's start there, shall we? Well, sort of. During the now-infamous Clone Saga, it is revealed Mary Jane is pregnant. After the end of this Saga, editorial having pinned the whole debacle on a newly-returned-from-apparent-death Norman Osborn, the original Green Goblin. Around the same time, MJ gives birth to an apparently stillborn baby May, with heavy implications that something else is really happening. Later, Osborn becomes wildly out of character and holds a mystical 'Gathering of Five' ritual and it's revealed 'May' is alive...only it's Aunt May. Oi Vey! Peter beats Osborn (who's gone even more crazy) and hangs up his webs just in time for a relaunch of the Spidey-titles.




Meanwhile, over in What if #105 we are introduced to Spider-Girl and the MC2, which gives us a very different (and I'd argue better) series of events. May's debut issue also gives us a few interesting points of back-story. Firstly, it depicts Peter and MJ at the hospital, happily holding the newborn May. Secondly, Peter continued as Spider-Man following May's birth. Thirdly, Peter's narrations specifically states that 'May was only two years old when I had my final confrontation with Norman Osborn, the original Green Goblin.' Norman died, and Peter lost any desire to continue as Spider-Man.



The next time we hear of this last confrontation in Spider-Girl #7, Mary Jane provides us with more details. Mary Jane was contacted by Johnny Storm aka the Human Torch. Mr Fantastic worked alongside surgeons to save him, but in the end Peter lost his right leg. Reed offers to make a bionic leg for Peter to continue web-swinging, but Peter realizes his real responsibility is to his wife and baby.



Soon after, Kaine is introduced into the Spider-Girl series, dropping hints and making cryptic references to Rumpelstiltskin. We are told that the Parker's owe a debt to Kaine for saving May's life as a baby, though it's not until Spider-Girl #48-#50 we get more details. Here, we learn Alison Mongrain was hired by Osborn to steal away with baby May, hiding in a yacht  until Osborn's Scriers took the infant. Kaine interferes and eventually tracks down and rescues the baby girl, returning her to Mary Jane before searching for Osborn.




It's notable that in the flashbacks here, Mary Jane now originally believed her baby had died at birth just as depicted in the 616 version of events. Peter intends to stop Kaine killing Osborn. The next flashback shows Spidey interrupting the 'Gathering of Five' ritual (rather than arriving long after in 616) and battling Osborn, his leg becoming webbed to Osborn's hand. As Peter tells Osborn about Kaine, the Goblin detonates a bomb, killing himself and claiming Peter's leg.



Amazing Spider-Girl introduces the idea that May could be a clone with the arrival of a second May on the scene. Amazing Spider-Girl #25 even provides more of Kaine's rescue of the infant May in his assault on the Scrier's stronghold. At the conclusion of the tale we learn that Osborn staged the proceedings, working with another baby (either the clone or the original) in his lab in the Swiss Alps, planning for an end game in two years time. Too bad he died before that came to pass.



Lastly, we have the Mr and Mrs Spider-Man tales, which depict Peter and Mary Jane with an infant May, with Peter still donning his webs occasionally and definitely not getting around with a walking stick or a limp. The last of these four tales implies Pete get's his better-paying  lab job with the police not long after.

From all of this, we have a pretty clear picture of the events but we also have a few issues to address. Obviously, the very first depiction from What if?! #105 which seems to show May born healthy in hospital must now be considered either incorrect, or possibly depicting a later time, perhaps a check up right after the reunion of parents and baby? Or it's a case of early installment weirdness, just as in pilot episodes of tv shows. Either way, it's not a big deal.

Secondly, Peter mentioned May being age two at the time of the final confrontation with the Goblin. Up until Mr and Mrs Spider-Man these stood out like a sore thumb, as it didn't seem to line up with anything else. But here's a theory: After Norman had May spirited away, Ms Mongrain spent several months with the baby girl, even mentioning growing attached to her, before the mean ol' Scriers swiped her back. Kaine learns of Osborn's plan and sets out to retrieve the infant May. Amazing Spider-Girl #25 gives the time of this rescue as 'a little over sixteen years ago.' At this point in the series, May has already celebrated her 16th birthday (Spider-Girl #67) and 'May's Special Day,' the anniversary of her return from kidnapping (Amazing Spider-Girl #15) which is quite some time after her birthday.

 Taking into account the idea that Osborn's ritual was delayed in this version of events and that Peter had at least one encounter with AraƱa (Spider-Man Family one-shot) before hanging up his webs, we can assume that Peter continued as Spider-Man for a while between May's return and his final confrontation with Osborn. In theory, you could stretch this to cover the mention of May being two years of age but honestly, I think Tom Defalco introduced the Mr and Mrs Spider-Man tales either to fill this apparent continuity gap or (more likely) to have fun telling married Spidey adventures, and what better place than his own universe?

This particular blog entry started out as a little worm of an idea in the base of my sub-conscious and it's been feeding on my idea's ever since. Mostly, this was just a thought experiment for me to see if the story ideas would hold together, but I hope it's been informative. Have I missed anything?

Until Tom Defalco retcons Swiney-Girl into the MC2, I remain 

frogoat