Showing posts with label Mother. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Mother. Show all posts

Sunday, 17 April 2022

Doc Magus: Who's Your Mama?!

If you haven’t already grown tired of my recent batch of Doc Magus related posts, here’s another! Today I’m going to pick up where the last one left off. Knowing who the MC2’s current Sorcerer Supreme’s father is, now let’s work out the identity of Dormagus’ mother!

 


There are a few clues scattered throughout Doc Magus’ appearances which we should take a look at before the big reveal. Aside from the aforementioned personal connections to Doctor Stephen Strange, there’s a few clues in Doc Magus’ early appearances. In A-Next #3 we not only get his real name Dormagus, and our first brief glimpse of him unmasked (I previously misattributed this to J2 #4) but also this throwaway reference from Deacon: ‘You can start by pulling your head outta the Dark Dimension, kiddo…

 


 First appearing in Strange Tales #126, the Dark Dimension is actually the name attributed to the largest, most aggressive conquering splinter realm of the original whole Dark Dimension. It has often been visited in various adventures by Doctor Stephen Strange and is most notable as being ruled by the Faltine-originating energy-entities Dormammu (who debuted in Strange Tales #126) and his sister Umar (who first appeared in Strange Tales #150).

 


Looking at Dormagus’ unmasked appearance, it’s worth pointing out he still has white streaks through his hair despite his youthful appearance and demeanour. This is noteworthy because there is another character closely associated with both Doctor Strange and the Dark Dimension who wields great magical power and also has white hair: Clea, daughter of Umar, the sometimes ruler of the Dark Dimension and wife (via extradimensional ceremony) to Stephen Strange (as established in Doctor Strange, Sorcerer Supreme #3).

 






Clea also first appeared in Strange Tales #126 but has yet to make any appearance in the MC2 to date. In fact, the closest we’ve even come to an interaction between Dormagus and Clea might just be the collective gathering of various Sorcerers Supreme from across time and space briefly seen in Doctor Strange and the Sorcerers Supreme #12.

 


So, is there any real reason to suspect that Clea is the mother of Dormagus? Why, yes there is! Courtesy of a wonderful interview on Chris Chapman’s Comic Shenanigans podcast episode #744 we have this snippet from MC2 co-creator Ron Frenz:

 

‘What’s funny is when you try to establish things, people are slow on the uptake, like with Doc Magus. We wanted to do this second-generation mystic and everything. Tom in the first issue has Doctor Strange call him Dormagus which is the same prefix as Dormammu and there are other suggestions made about who this kid might be and we had a lot of people writing in and guessing who they are and Tom thought it was so obvious he actually said at one point ‘when you add 2 and 2 do you always get 22?’ That kind of thing. At this point, I guess we can say it, I don’t know how much it was ever established, because I know Dormagus appeared in J2 a few times. But he is the son of Doctor Strange and Clea. Because Clea was from the Dark Dimension. She was from the same place Dormammu was, so that’s why her son has the same prefix on the name. Tom also wanted something that sounded like ‘magus’ so he could go to Doc Magus, that kind of thing. That’s why his hairstyle looked a little like his mum’s. He was given the responsibility of being the Sorcerer Supreme at such a young age because of his bloodline. We thought it was pretty obvious but there were a few fans that didn’t feel it was quite that obvious.’

 

I’m sure the informed and knowledgeable among you had already made the connection but now you have it all spelt out from the co-creator himself. What do you make of this reveal? Do you agree with it or disagree? Do you have an alternative suggestion, given that this isn’t set in stone on the comic page?

 

Until I reveal the heavily-guarded secret of the mysterious entity known only as Deacon, I remain

 

frogoat 

Saturday, 12 January 2019

Thena: Who's Your Mama?!

Shout out to faithful blog-reader arias-98105 for suggesting this topic! It's nice to have reader engagement and I greatly appreciate it! So today, I'm going to examine the MC2's Thena and try and work out who her mother could be. But first, a little background information on Thena.




First appearing in 2006's Avengers Next #2Thena is the daughter of Thor, the Asgardian God of Thunder. Thena grew up alongside her cousin Sylene, daughter of  Loki the Trickster God. We learn that she survived Galactus' destruction of Asgard (during the events of Last Planet Standing) and was tasked with restoring Kevin Masterson's powers as Thunderstrike.


While we know from the start Thor is her father, the identity of Thena's mother is still a bit of a mystery. Here's are the facts:

  • Thena states she is 'daughter to the most honored Lord and Lady of Asgard' (Avengers Next #2).
  • During the events of Last Hero Standing Thena was on a quest with her mother, thus explaining her absence during that story (Avengers Next #2).
  • During the events of Last Planet Standing, Thena attempted to join her father against Galactus but was instead commanded by her mother to aid those fleeing the destruction of Asgard (Avengers Next #3).

As pointed out to me by arias-98105, prior to the events of Onslaught and Heroes Return (see here), Thor was romantically involved with the Asgardian villainess Amora the Enchantress! For those who follow this blog regularly, you will know that the late 90's are where most of the MC2's shared history with the Main Marvel Universe ends, thus making Thor's romantic entanglements around that time relevant to solving this mystery.


History lesson time! In a four-part story published in Thor #491-494 by Warren Ellis and Mike Deodato Jr called 'WorldEngine', Thor and Amora begin a relationship during their time exiled on Earth. Beware: Very 90's art!












In addition to this, the relationship storyline is continued by the following writer (William Messner-Loebs) on the book leading up to the events of Onslaught (Thor #495-502). After Onslaught the title was renamed back to Journey Into Mystery starting with issue #503 while Thor was absent and widely believed dead. From then until issue #513 the title was written by none other than MC2 co-creator Tom Defalco who also touched upon Amora's feelings for Thor while he was assumed dead.



Clearly, Amora had genuine feelings for the Thunder God despite her past of manipulation. Given the couples ongoing romance around the time, Thena's blonde hair and even some readers desire to see the two have a child together (see the reader's poll and letters pages below from Journey Into Mystery #505, #506 and #508, respectively) a case could be made for Amora being Thena's mother.








Naturally, the other major candidate for Thena's mother was Thor's long-time off-and-on love interest Lady Sif who made her first and only MC2 appearance in Last Planet Standing #2 during the destruction of Asgard. The strongest evidence for this becomes clearer when the relevant pages and panels from both Last Planet Standing #2 and the flashbacks in Avengers Next #3 are viewed in sequence:








So, Sif was given the job of overseeing the evacuation of Asgard's most vulnerable subjects, the same task Thena was entrusted with by her mother. This strongly suggests Sif is Thena's mother, but obviously we don't have any definitive answers. 

So, who do you think is Thena's mother: Amora the Enchantress? Lady Sif? Or someone else entirely? Let me know! This was fun to research and theorize about, I may just do more like this, perhaps exploring the mystery of Sylene's mother?

Until I get exiled to the Isle of Silence and can no longer produce this blog, I remain

frogoat