History of the MC2: Kaine

 

I’m working on making a complete timeline of events covering the History of the MC2, spanning the nebulous 15 year stretch of time after the Main Marvel Universe (or Universe-616) split off and became the MC2 (or Universe-982) and before the next-generation of heroes began to debut starting with J2 #1, A-Next #1 and What If #105. For this instalment, I’d like to take a look at the world-worn, well-travelled man called Kaine.

 

A reference to Kaine’s activities prior to his appearances during the infamous Clone Saga appears in Spider-Girl #44 when Peter provides Mayday with a heavily edited and censored version of some of the significant events. Notably, this issue also features flashbacks to Ben Reilly with Peter and a heavily pregnant Mary Jane.

 

Near as I can tell, Kaine’s next earliest appearance chronologically was depicted in Spider-Girl #49 where he notes that he first met Alison Mongrain ‘over a decade’ prior accidentally while investigating Norman Osborn who had murdered Ben Reilly, who Kaine considered a brother. During this investigation Kaine learned that Osborn was using the Scriers to secretly funnel money to Mongrain. Kaine encountered Mongrain immediately after the visit from the Scriers where they took back the infant May Parker and left the woman unconscious with explosives set to kill her. Saving her life, Kaine learned from Alison the plot to fake May’s death and kidnap the child and disgusted, left Mongrain floundering in the bay.  This gives us a clear picture of Kaine’s motive for seeking out Osborn and how he learned of what had happened to Peter and Mary Jane’s baby.

 

Seemingly immediately after reaching the shore, Kaine phoned Mary Jane to tell her ‘Your baby’s alive’ followed by an explanation including that Norman Osborn’s was responsible. Not wanting the child harmed as a result of a confrontation, Kaine asked Mary Jane not to tell Peter until she was safe in his arms (Spider-Girl #48).

 

Next, we briefly see Kaine’s encounter with the Scrier’s in Spider-Girl #49 in a single panel flashback. This is presumably the very same encounter in the south of France at La Maison DeJunae from ‘a little over sixteen years ago’ seen in more detail in Amazing Spider-Girl #25, where we see Kaine has tracked down the Brotherhood of Scriers. After making short work of them, he rescues baby May from Philippe DeJunae, unknowingly being manipulated by Norman Osborn who had already cloned the infant and held one of them in a lab at Castle Osborn in the Swiss Alps.

 

 

We see Kaine return May to Mary Jane and assure her she there are tests she can perform to confirm she’s not being tricked. Kaine states he is doing this as part of the debt he owes to Ben Reilly, indicating his intention to punish the man responsible: Norman Osborn. Kaine’s revenge ultimately does not come to pass as Osborn dies literally by his own hand when his pumpkin bomb explodes during his final battle with Spider-Man (Spider-Girl #48-#49).

At some unknown point or at various points in his past, Kaine was chased by S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents across five continents, learning to recognize their moves as a result. (Amazing Spider-Girl #10) I’m placing this here purely because it’s around the only confirmed time we known he crossed into other countries and continents. It’s by no means a definitive placement, merely representative.

 

At some point ‘years earlier’ than the flashbacks seen in Darkdevil #2, Kaine turned to the arcane to prevent his clone degeneration, mastering skills which summoned the living spirit of vengeance, Zarathos. In exchange for halting his degeneration, Kaine served as the demon’s servant for a time.

 

After years of constant agony, Kaine’s nerve endings simply stopped functioning, apparently meaning he no longer felt anything (Spider-Girl #14). This and his prior degeneration may be connected to Kaine’s use of a metallic body suit (first seen chronologically in flashbacks from Darkdevil #1)

 

Kaine acted as a ‘Guardian Angel’ to the young son of Ben Reilly, watching over him as he grew up. When the boy began to suffer from the fatal clone degeneration he must have inherited from his father, Kaine took the boy to his hidden lab and placed him in suspended animation within a ‘Resuscitation Tube’ for months, visiting often during this time and telling him of his father and his true family history (Darkdevil #1).

 

*Ben Reilly’s son, known as Reilly Tyne, is said to be ‘barely thirteen’ when he first formally meets Kaine. For various reasons, this does not seem to fit with the established timeline. At some point I intent to dedicate an entire post to the topic, but for now let’s focus on Kaine*

 

Around this time Kaine worked as an enforcer for Wilson Fisk, the Kingpin of Crime when the District Attorney had collected enough evidence to finally put Fisk away for life. Confronting him, Daredevil found himself in battle with Kaine. With nothing to lose, Fisk ordered his men to open fire on Daredevil despite Kaine being in their way. In a heroic final act, Daredevil died shielding Kaine from a barrage of bullets with his own body, saying that even a monster like Kaine deserved better. Moved by the hero’s sacrifice for him, Kaine took the body of the Man Without Fear to his laboratory where he tried in vain to reanimate his corpse.

 

 Realizing that science could not help him, Kaine turned to sorcery, again summoning Zarathos and this time begged him to revive the fallen hero in exchange for his own life and soul. Uninterested, Zarathos ignored Kaine’s protests and instead took possession of the boy still in suspended animation, physically ageing him into an adult and giving him a demonic appearance. Fortunately, the spirit of deceased Daredevil stood against Zarathos and eventually drove the demon from the boy’s body (Darkdevil #2).

 

With Zarathos banished, the boy was left seemingly stuck in a demonic adult body and blamed Kaine, who ‘skulked away’. Fortunately, the boy had also been imbued with the spirit of Matt Murdock, and soon mastered his new demonic abilities including appearing as a mortal man in his twenties, took a job at Nelson’s law firm as an intern under the name Reilly Tyne and became the heroic vigilante known as Darkdevil, though still harbouring resentment toward Kaine (Darkdevil #3).

 

Kaine returns to New York from parts unknown ‘after all these years’ to ‘check up on a family matter’ so it appears he has not set foot in the city for some time prior to Spider-Girl #12 or at least others are not aware of him doing so.

 

Based on these comments throughout various MC2 titles, we can piece together the order of events prior to Kaine’s return in the MC2’s present day. Here is what we have:

 

·         Kaine, seeking vengeance on Osborn, saves Alison only to leave her for dead upon learning her part in May’s kidnapping

 

·         Kaine contacts Mary Jane and tells her May is alive but insists she not tell Peter until May is safely returned to her parents

 

·         Placing May in the care of Philippe DeJunae, protected by hired members of the Scriers, Kaine rescues May from DeJunae, unaware events have been orchestrated by Osborn

 

·         Kaine reunites May with her mother Mary Jane, determined to find Osborn

 

·         Kaine mastered arcane skills in order to summon the spirit of vengeance Zarathos, working as the demon’s servant for a time in exchange for staving off his clone degeneration

 

·         Many years later, the son of Ben Reilly and Elizabeth Tyne is found near-death by Kaine, who places him in a Resuscitation Tube to stave off his clone degeneration

 

·         Kaine works as an enforcer for the Kingpin

 

·         When the District Attorney has collected enough evidence to send Wilson Fisk to jail for life, Daredevil is killed saving Kaine from Fisk's gunmen

 

·         Kaine attempts to revive Daredevil using science but fails, and so resorts again to the arcane

 

·         Kaine summons Zarathos and pleads with the demon to restore Daredevil to life in exchange for his own

 

·         Zarathos instead possesses and alters the body of Reilly and Tyne's son

 

·         Daredevil's spirit battles Zarathos for the boy's soul and body, eventually driving the demon out

 

·         The boy eventually masters his demonic abilities and studies law, gaining a job at Foggy Nelson's law firm under the name Reilly Tyne while also operating as the masked hero Darkdevil in Murdock's honour

 

 

I believe that’s all we have regarding the History of the MC2’s Kaine, but it’s always possible I’ve missed a detail somewhere along the line. If you find something I haven’t noted, please let me know in the comments.

 

Until I play a pivotal role in the lives of various major MC2 characters for years to come, I remain

 

frogoat

 

 

 

 

Carnage Was Nearly An Avenger?!

 

Sadly, Venom: Let There Be Carnage still hasn’t been released in my country, so I’m still riding that pre-viewing excitement for the film. So, I figured why not go all in on throwing out Carnage posts (I may not get this chance again) and detail a few MC2-related Carnage appearances that I’ve yet to discuss.

 

Firstly, and I can’t believe I missed discussing this one previously, but thanks to the MC2 A DAY blog, I was reminded that Carnage technically makes his first MC2 appearance in Spider-Girl #44 in a flashback to the events of Spectacular Spider-Man #217 where Peter Parker teams up with Ben Reilly to take down the symbiotic serial killer.

 

Secondly, and for now probably finally, did you know Carnage was nearly made a member of the Avengers of the MC2 way back in What If #105? It’s true, as evident from this early concept sketch by Ron Frenz for the Avengers cameo scene in the issue where we can see him alongside The Vision, Speedball (here known as Ricochet), the original Juggernaut, Jubilee and Thunderstrike. I imagine the implications of this cameo would have radically altered the MC2 going ahead! Interestingly, we don’t learn the identity of the person bonded with the Carnage Symbiote here either, so it again might not have been Cletus Kasady.

 

Just a nice quick post for today. Hopefully you haven’t noticed a huge dip in my output lately, as I’ve tried to bank a few posts for release this month. That said, I’m now officially tapped out. If there’s any specific topics, you’d like to see me cover on the blog, let me know!

 

Until I figure out the membership policy over at the Avengers Compound, I remain

 

frogoat

 

 

Ultron in the MC2

 

I might be a little late to the party with this post, but I still wanted to put something out to cover Ultron in the MC2, especially given I missed my chance last time he made a major appearance on the big screen, so now with his return to the small screen via the Disney+ animated series What If, I'm seizing the opportunity.

 

I briefly touched on Ultron in my History of the MC2: The Avengers post but let’s take a more focused look this time. At an unknown point in the team's past prior the original team’s final mission, an Avengers team which included Captain America, Iron Man and Thor fought Ultron Extreme, the newest model of the team's old foe. Iron Man eventually managed to erase Ultron's programming and the villain's indestructible body was sealed away ‘half a world away, in a cavern far beneath the Earth’ for over a decade (Avengers Next #2-#3).

The Avengers Compound contains an armory and ‘trophy room’ within which an inert head of an older model Ultron was kept. During Sylene’s staged attack on the Avengers Compound by ‘Zombie Avengers,’ her lackeys Warp and Ulik secretly stole this Ultron head. Sylene then used her magicks upon this Ultron ‘artifact’ so that it would guide her to the body of Ultron Extreme (Avengers Next #1-#2).

 

Still inert with its programming wiped, Sylene imbued the shell of Ultron Extreme with her magic and set it against the Avengers, while disguising herself as another ‘prime’ Ultron resembling that of the stolen head. However, when ‘Ultron’ Sylene’s assault module was suddenly destroyed leaving her vulnerable, she was forced to cover her deception by appearing to ‘self-destruct.’ Busy using her magic to disguise herself as the kidnapped and depowered former Avenger Kevin Masterson to enable her to enact her final plan, the Ultron Extreme body was left to collapse inert once again on the remote island atoll (Avengers Next #3).

It’s also worth mentioning that a model of statue of Ultron is on display in the Avengers Compound alongside many others representing past Avengers foes (American Dream #1). Presumably the actual head of Ultron and other villain ‘artifacts’ are kept well away from the public in the aforementioned armory or trophy room.

 

While this might be the last time we see of Ultron in the MC2, the ever-clever Stinger notes that the villain was previously only deactivated and that his programming could be copied or restored in the same way Avengers members Mainframe and the Vision have done in the past (Avengers Next #3).

 

Until I learn how to restore myself from some lines of code, I remain

 

frogoat

 

 

Where is Cletus Kasady in the MC2?

 

While I’ve been busy lately, it’s perhaps a good thing I already jumped the gun and detailed Carnage in the MC2 years back when the first Venom movie came out. That said, with Venom: Let There Be Carnage out in cinema (well, in some parts of the world! Not here yet, sadly) I figure I should at least try and put out something to tie-in. One question not specifically addressed in my previous post is the whereabouts of Carnage’s first and most iconic host: Where is Cletus Kasady in the MC2?

 

Cletus Kasady made his very first appearance in Amazing Spider-Man #344, cameoing as Eddie Brock’s prison cellmate. When the Venom symbiote busted Eddie out, it left behind it’s offspring which bonded with serial killer Cletus to become the mass-murdering Carnage and the rest is history (Amazing Spider-Man #345, #359-#361). 

 

When a splinter of the Carnage symbiote (specifically Specimen 297 of 300) appeared in the MC2 starting in Amazing Spider-Girl #9, Cletus was nowhere to be seen. To explore why, we should look to the last published appearance of Cletus Kasady prior the MC2’s own publication history, a two-part story in Amazing Spider-Man #430-#431. The story starts out as a fairly standard ‘Carnage on a rampage’ plot until the Silver Surfer shows up and the Carnage symbiote abandons Cletus and bonds with the Surfer (Amazing Spider-Man #430).

 

While at first it seems as though Cletus is merely suffering a kind of withdrawal in the absence of his symbiote ‘other’, when Spider-Man takes Kasady to a hospital it’s discovered that he is suffering from an advanced case of stomach cancer and that the symbiote has been keeping him alive (Amazing Spider-Man #431).

 

By the story’s conclusion, the Surfer allows the Carnage symbiote to re-bond with Kasady…only to leave him encased in an unbreakable shell of ethereal energy ‘for the rest of his life’. Ironically, the Main Marvel Universe never really addresses Cletus’ situation, either how he escaped this seemingly permanent imprisonment nor recovered from his terminal cancer. Instead, the next time we see him he’s just in prison and shortly afterwards has his symbiote eaten by Venom with almost no ill effects. Wasted potential.

 

While we also don’t have an explanation for how the Carnage symbiote escaped the Silver Surfer’s encasement (though perhaps I could present a theory on that someday?) we can assume that Cletus Kasady is probably long dead in the MC2. The interesting thing to note is that both stories here were written by Tom Defalco and both refer to the symbiotes ability to keep a host alive even with a terminal cancer diagnosis, with the Carnage symbiote promising to help save new host Moose Mansfield’s father in exchange for his co-operation (Amazing Spider-Girl #9-#12).

 

Well, hopefully you got something out of this. I know I was pleasantly surprised when I realized the similarities between the two Defalco Carnage stories. I’m also fairly sure Defalco was the first person to associate symbiotes with cancer in anyway.

 

Until I find another tangential connection to the Venom films, I remain

 

frogoat